I join my colleague Kadi Grigg, my ex-colleague and friend Sal Kimmich, and the superstar Simon Brown to discuss the C4 model, Threagile and how they can work together in the future.

I have been so excited about this! I finally get to work with my colleague Kadi Grigg on her blog she hosts, Wicked Good Devleopment!

We talk to Simon Brown on the awesome C4 model he created and I talk about how potentially this could work with Threagile to create more accurate diagrams for application security engineers.

Check the podcast here!